Not for PC is a joke.. Right??

The botting/Macroing excuse doesn't wash with me - is this just because they cba to put controls in place?

No reason not to put it on PC - except they don't want eve players leaving eve to play dust - but a lot of us eve players would sub to both!

As said before consoles are full of little brats which is why i avoid them like the plague!!

It certainly won't have the longevity on a console as it would on a PC. which will have an adverse effect on Eve. Keep it seperate or give it to us loyal PC users who have paid your wages for the last god knows how many years!!! Totally disloyal!!

A truely bold move by CCP, But as for the PC stuff the cross gaming is well... look at it this way. 2 different platforms working as one will have some problems, that is on the front of 2 different games, but if you add 2 different games a and 2 different platforms at the same time that's just down right insanity, and i know you might be saying that's the same thing you stated above, but its not. If you have PS3 Xbox and PC derived from the same seed... see where im going with this, saves the headache and cost effectiveness. So if you advertise with a different market and player base $$$ dollar signs all the way. Its just another branch in an already tall oak tree. My major point is

1. Saving the headaches for the engineers
2. Cash!
3. Some new respect in the gaming world

Well been awhile since I checked this topic and wow...seems we added a few ignorant people. Gonna add to your post Mr. Alex and share a few thoughts of my own <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

[quote=&quot;Theglazed&quot;:dqphp7se] I have a problem with button bashers[/quote]

Button Mashers in an FPS? The only button you mash in an FPS is the fire button, which any sensible person would do since it is a shooter <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->

I understand that keeping it off PC will help keep the number of eve players online but now I feel im paying subscription for half a game.

Like Alex said they aren't taking anything away from EVE... and its not like they are adding very much either. If anyone watched the fanfest video they explained that EVE and DUST will interact with eachother but would not rely on eachother to play them. If no one in DUST wants to work with EVE players for example then they just become separate entities. People should really do some background research before spewing shit from your ass <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

I think to bring the console community to eve wont be fun, iv seen a lot of xbox live even tried the vista live stuff and the console community seems to be made up of very young annoying children, at least by letting the PC community in there will be a balance of sensible and stupid.

Yea well said alex. In most cases your only gonna be dealing with the heads of large mercenary forces that will be doing the jobs for us EVE players. Then those commanders get to deal with the annoying kids.. But from what I see already most of these mercenary corps will be made up of preselected individuals or people that have proved their worth. At this point I'd say your just griping to gripe.

So maybe releasing it on PC could be damaging to eve but I think its going to be far worse if they don't, I will certainly be giving up eve and moving over to something like Star Trek Online, the fact is you can beam to the surface of a planet without having to get up and walk away from your PC to use a different machine, and hopefully i'm not the only PC gamer left that feels this way.

I do hope as well that you aren't the only PC gamer that feels this way. Whats really amusing about your comments is that they arent doing anything to EVE at all. They are both separate games completely, despite the fact that both games will interact with eachother. Get your facts straight then try again good sir <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

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If only both of your awesome logical responses had been posted earlier, you could have stopped me tearing my hair out at some posts and going bald! <!-- s:ugeek: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_ugeek.gif" alt=":ugeek:" title="Uber Geek" /><!-- s:ugeek: -->[/quote]

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I feel your pain dachucky... you had some good responses to some of those ignorant posts people had. But I'll certainly keep an eye for more misunderstood posts haha. But as far as I'm concerned this topic should just get closed cuz no point in beating a dead horse as the saying goes...or does it go that way <!-- s:mrgreen: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mrgreen.gif" alt=":mrgreen:" title="Mr. Green" /><!-- s:mrgreen: -->

what a bullshit :O about security.
First HAX for Modern Warfare 2 has been deployed for XBOX :O and then for PS3 :O and THEN after that for PC..

Interisting topic.

I play EVE whenever i can, meaning that i can't play EVE cause i can't pay for the game's subscription all the time.
To be honest i love EVE but i can only pay from time to time which isn't only like once a year for 3months at max.
Which is taking to my point here. Not every player of EVE can pay all the time!!
And lovers of EVE that are in the same seat as me would like to play this on PC!!
Seing a new game from CCP that interacts with EVE is awesome.
I only play games on PC, so it makes me very unheppy about DUST (atm) that's it's only on consoles.

I do understand the points from CCP but still...not for PC is a huge bummer.
Security reasons?? yes, i understand but, then yet again as mentioned before, take a decent anti-cheat/hack program in it. Like PunkBuster is one of the best around these days.

I hope that CCP thought about these kind of EVE players as well if they want to keep them around.
I just hope that they would bring it out on PC as well, even it has to be after the console releases.

As a software engineer with experience working on game engine and game development tools i can tell you the &quot;they cannot secure it for PC&quot; argument is crap - especially since they're using the Unreal Engine - pretty much all the network messaging infrastructure is already done, they just have to customize it a little.

As a gamer i can tell them: I WILL NEVER PLAY IT ON CONSOLE. That CCP quote saying they may port it to PC better be a &quot;we will port it to PC&quot; in reality.

From what I understand, DUST is going to be console only largely for the purpose of making it easier to program to its fullest potential.

PC games often times have to be dumbed down to lowest common denominator in order to appeal to enough people, because computers vary so much in the area of hardware. Even EVE, awesome as it is graphically and mechanically suffers from that. Consoles don't have that problem because they all have the same hardware within a brand, and actually the PS3, Xbox 360, and Wii all use IBM chip sets. The only reason it isn't available on the Wii is because the Wii has a totally different control interface from the other two consoles. Also, it's graphics capabilities aren't as great. If you've ever tried playing Call of Duty on the Wii after the 360, you know there's just no comparison.

The fact of the matter is, CCP probably felt, simply put, that it just was not worth the effort it would take to make DUST a PC game. Another, secondary reason would probably be that CCP is trying to diversify, which is generally a smart move in business. This way they are

A) Putting some of their eggs into a redundant basket

B) Exposing console FPS players to MMORPG's, thus possibly stimulating interest in EVE that didn't exist before

C) Exposing EVE players to console FPS's potentially stimulating more and more interest in DUST as the two games become more closely integrated over time.

D) Showing their full range of abilities to the rest of the industry, opening them up for partnerships and subcontract work from other companies who may not have wanted to offer them business before, like Activision, Epic Productions, and Bungie. (Not Blizzard, I imagine those two don't get along well, naturally).

From a business perspective, this is a very smart move for CCP.

Business student here, btw.

hey champagne and gunsmoke your entire argument is rendered meaningless in that they've chosen to use the Unreal Engine. all those problems you list are solved problems for them.

CCP did something very very smart when they started making this game: they chose the unreal engine. If they follow the Unreal Engine development guidelines for their artwork they will not have any problem with the PC version and the differences in hardware.

The only thing they'll have to make sure of is that their customizations are not specific to a single machine architecture, but then that shouldn't be hard for them to do - thanks again, to the unreal engine having already taken care of that.

I knew they were using it, but I honestly don't know anything about the Unreal engine.

And the argument about it being easier to program for console than PC comes from a Q&amp;A with DUSt developers at CCP.

yes, in some ways it is easier to develop for consoles than PC - because of the constant hardware.

The Unreal Engine takes care of all the platform specifics for them - or almost all of the platform specifics. Its network code contains all the essential security required on any platform, it contains the rendering engines specific to each platform, etc.

Basically by using the Unreal Engine they have to worry a lot less about the various platforms and more about coding their logic and doing their artwork. From what i've seen so far they won't have to do much customization at all.

Vehicles? Already part of Unreal 3
FPS? well.. that's what Unreal 3 is
Graphics pipeline? already taken care of for PS3, Xbox and PC
Network comms &amp; Security? Already taken care of