Dust 514's industry Topic

Link to this post 17 Feb

Okay, let's start a dedicated topic on this even if we already talked about it a bit previously.

I started playing Eve and i decided to focus on Planetary Interactions wich consist in harvesting\processing raw material from planets surfaces.

Those processed items are then more or less valuable depending on the use they have for others Eve players (fuel, parts for ship contructions etc.) and their complexity. I'm not going into details, you ll find plenty information on the subject on Evelopedia.

What i want to say is that i'm about 90% sure that we'll have something similar in Dust 514 for different reasons.

1) Industrial aspect for Dust Corp has been confirmed (cf december interview)

2) Planetary Interactions exists only since early 2010 in Eve and CCP stated in the original Devblog AND the update at the end of 2010 that those PI were created to be the connection between EVE and DUST.
Evelopedia states that :
"CCP has claimed on several occasions that they will continue developing PI as its success is a cornerstone for the eventual DUST 514 expansion."

3) PI are way more adapted to FPS players as the harvesting\processing is passive. You just set sort of an assembly line, define how much time it will run and there you go.

4) We already know that blueprint will be in Dust 514. Well, to use those blueprints you NEED specific ressources. Some come from PI in Eve. No reason for it to be different in Dust.

5) It would be a nice and not too strong way to introduce Dust Corps in global Eve economy. If Dusters can find on their planets the same raw material as in Eve, then they will be able to create the same processed items from it. Items that can be sell on Eve's market where they have good value.
But they wouldn't disturb Eve's base of economy wich is mining from what i've seen so far.


Now, what i still need to figure out.

We know Dusters will be on barren and temperate planets only at start. So, this means we wouldn't have access to all types of raw materials as some are specific from storm, lava, oceanic, ice etc... planets.
Unless, a dust corp can colonize and harvest ressources from those planets even if not possible to fight over them.

Then, how will PI work ? Exactly like in Eve ? But then, planets will quickly be overload if every dusters starts doing like any Eve players is mining soon or later. So, Would it be a Corp activity only ? With only selected players being able to use it ?

What do you think ?

Link to this post 18 Feb

If dusters will be able to do pi stuff then we probably will need to buy the materials from eve players. Dust will probably bring some kind of new resors to temperate planets like population tax or something. Dust needs to have some kind of meaning and having dust on only temperate planets and only have the current resorses on the planets in question will not be sufficient to feed conflict. So my thinking is some kind of new temperate planet resors and ofc sovereignty importance.

Link to this post 19 Feb

You said:
"1) Industrial aspect for Dust Corp has been confirmed (cf december interview)"

But what was actually said in that interview was:

Q. Will it be possible to create industrial Dust corps that make money off of selling things to others?

A. Yes. We want to offer players different ways to become engaged in DUST 514 and not all of it is about fighting.

Q. Will Eve industry bleed into Dust?

A. Yes. Remember that DUST 514 and EVE Online are part of the same universe and that means they will have economic connections with each other.

I don't think we can say that CCP has confirmed that Dust players will be extracting PI materials from planets. We know they will have blueprints and will presumably be building and buying and selling stuff.

Since Eve corps will be paying isk to Dust mercs there must be a way for Dust players to return the isk to the Eve economy, presumably by buying stuff from Eve players.

Therefore, it is still possible that Dust builders will be buying their raw materials from Eve players.

There are of course other possibilities, including both Eve and Dust players being able to process the entire Dust production chain, from extraction of raw materials to the end products, but it seems silly to have Dust players compete against Eve players when Eve players are flying spaceships with large cargo space.

Another option is for Dust players to have a completely different PI production chain.

Nothing CCP has said can allow us to rule out any of these scenarios.

Link to this post 20 Feb

PS. I found this in a Dust dev blog from August while I was looking for something else:

"Currently, the biggest limitation will be inventories, as EVE items don’t really have any functions on the DUST client and reciprocally, but this is something that might change in the future when we will observe even more convergence between EVE and DUST."

http://www.dust514.com/en/news/article/2041/tools-of-the-trade

If Eve items don't have any functions on the DUST client, how will Eve players be selling stuff to Dust players? And how will isk that moves from Eve to Dust to pay for merc contracts be recycled to Eve? It makes no sense to me. Is Dust just going to be a giant isk sink?

Link to this post 20 Feb

What use would a drake, or naga, or a group of missles larger than a LAV be to a bunny, none. However, there is nothing saying the eve players can not build dust gear or bunnies can not build eve gear.

It has been said several times that Dust corps can own their own planets thus generating passive income for the use of taking over the universe.

Link to this post 20 Feb

Well firstly dusters will be hiring the services of Eve corps just as much as they are hired themselves, and i wonder what precisely they mean by items, and if that is compatible to resources.

Link to this post 21 Feb

Nice input all.

First, i dont say there s any confirmation about PI being present in Dust 514. It's just a strong huntch i have on wich i d like to have some thoughts.

No one reacted to the different quote in PI devblogs about the link between it and Dust.

About industry, someone said we know there will be blueprint. To me, it's another clue that Dust will work like a mini-Eve.

In order to do that you need :

- A strong base to feel processing with raw materials
=> So, ressources from planets as dusters are ground people => PI or something similar. Or, buying from eve corps.

- Processing : basic processing into refined goods and usable items =>like nanite repair paste, i guess dust vehicles would need something similar during battle ? Or fuel for MCC's
(even if i seem to remind reading about fuel for MCC's being present on battlefield and being strategic objectives on the long run.)
=> Or, refined goods needed to use blueprints and actually produce vehicles\weapons\modules.
=> Or buy from Eve.

Let's not forget that CCP must want to protect Eve from Dust possible economic failure.
So, having PI on both games would allow Eve players not to be dependant from dust players to provide usefull goods. Thus, the 2010 implementation of PI in EVE.
Then, if Eve corps can produce (why shouldnt they) goods used only in dust, it opens a new market. I think it's one of the greatest pleasure for an EVe corp, a brand new market to fight for.

And then, as i said, PI really feels a bit off in Eve. I'm still new, but the looks and mecanism of it (except for space transportation that goes with it) feels off.
I may be wrong of course but why would CCP try to create a whole new system for dust industry when they have one that seems already to fit perfectly and wouldnt disturb Eve that much while creating a nice economical (and thus, partnership) link between the two games.

After all, one universe, one war right ?


But keep firing, i love it ;)

BTW, dont hesitate to tell me if i m sometime unclear.

Link to this post 21 Feb

oh and about the quote regarding items in Eve having no use in Dust, i think it's more about refined goods (wich seems logical) thant raw material. Again, why bother creating new RM when you have what's needed.